Odisha HRD

20 Writeup

• 1. jagamohan swain  |  August 26th, 2009 at 2:13 am

  Dr Baral any idea about IIST. Folowing is the news snippet:

  http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=11186

  http://www.iist.ac.in/IIST/getPage.php?page=Objectives&pageId=32

• 2. Chitta Baral  |  August 26th, 2009 at 3:58 am

  What about it?

• 3. jagmohan swain  |  August 26th, 2009 at 6:33 am

  It looks like this is one of very few institutes that offers program in Aerospace engg and similar discipline.May be Orissa Govt can try to set up a similar institute in orissa??

• 4. alok  |  August 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

  This data is an eye opener.Just opening a good number of tech colleges in the state wont make an educational hub.what we need is to have quality institutes.Where dose KIIT stands ?I belive not even in the top 100. I have never seen NITR giving any kind of advertisments for its facilities,faculties etc etc..But when coming to private colleges like KIITs they leave no stones unturned.Well you have to admit this that your good work will automatically show the results not just by adverstising that we are the youngest university in india.That wont make any difrence to the performance.Unfortunately we have just one college in the state to be in the top 20 list..I was expecting Burla somwhere in the top 50.Thanks to our state govt who did nothing to make the college famous.

• 5. KIRAN GOSWAMI  |  August 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am

  NOW ESI MEDICAL COLLEGE IS SETUP AT BHUBANESWAR AS PER NEWS ON 27-08-2009. I t means again state govt. is neglect to Rourkela. It is my request to all west orissa peoples come to demand for kosla state.

• 6. R.K. Ghosh  |  August 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

  The process of ranking of educational institutes in India is very unsound. I don’t know of course about current science procedure to comment on this specific ranking, but there are others like India Today, Outlook, etc who also come up with ranking of technical, medical and even affiliated colleges across states. All those ranking are mostly decided on journalist’s perception. Sometimes even I heard if the institution head could somehow impress the journalist commissioned for the story, his/her institute gets a better ranking. I think a sound ranking will depend upon three main yardsticks: (1) student intake, (ii) faculty quality, and (iii) facilities. Quite clearly, student intake in NITs would not be a problem. But faculty quality and infrastructure will depend on what funding the institute gets and how it percolates down to students and faculty.

• 7. Siriyal  |  August 27th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

  Dear Chitta Sir,
  This forum has been created by you for appraising us about various developments going on in Orissa and to have healthy discussions on then. Unfortunately for quite some days, I observe that most of the discussions are going in such a way, that it may work against the unity of Orissa. Please take care, so that this forum should not be used to foster a demand for a separate state.
  As, you have already mentioned in one of your previous post, we should write to CM and try other other constitutional methods for a balanced development of Orissa, not by just demanding for a separate state.

• 8. KIRAN GOSWAMI  |  August 28th, 2009 at 10:38 am

  Mr. Siriyal
  this not only issue of esi medical college . Last 20 years west orissa has been negleting by state govt. . There is no good hospital where poor people are going.there is no eye touching development here. I have been continue write letter to cm for giving special important to Rourkela and west orissa. But nothing happens. NO new university,no medical college .Every thing set up at bbsr,cuttack,puri. Could u give me justfication ! r are we out of odisha ? OK could you write to cm for any central institure will setup aT rourkela . Mr. siroyall it is very easy to give suggestion any others. How many timee you give suggestion to cm for this issues. We Rourkela peoples and Rourkela NRI has been continue write cm for this issues. But nothing happens . Iam not supporting for separate state. but when the water level come to nose we have do for some thing . Always we look for odisha unity and odisha develoment but it should be over all disticts not only bbsr,puri and cuttack.
  If you any clearification will welcome for ask

• 9. Sanjib Karmee  |  August 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

  Siriyal, I think in a democratic country we should not be worried about any kinds of demands as long as it is done in a peaceful ways. This is the beauty of democracy.

• 10. alok  |  August 28th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

  Dear Mr Sanjib,
  I know you are supporting Orisa development as a whole.But when it comes to ground reality its just the development of BBSr and near by regions.Let me give you some more light on this.The IIT was first planned to be at Rourkela by converting the NIT to IIT as it has got all the required infrastructure in place.It never happened instead a new setup was done at BBSR even if there are n number of engg colleges in BBSR region.After that IIIt and NISER were setup.Aiims like college and now the NID.Latest is the ESIC medical college.Now can you justify why we need 2 medical colleges in the same location.Why cant we have ESIC at Rourkela or AIIMS at Rourkela.Forget that lets come to BPUT agenda.Its still running from BBSR and major part of work are carried out from BBSR just for the nasty politics of OPECA.If the govt will want it can make teh BPUT completely functional from Rourkela.The medical college supposed to open at Rourkela is still a mystrey.Had it been at BBSR it would have started functioning.Dont you feel the state govt is maintainig double standards.The Airport is yet to function.Compare the city of Rourkela with Jamshedpur.Hell lot of difference.Why ..its just coz of our state govt.Why cant we have IT parks at Rourkela when we got the best college and n number of talents available locally.Name one aspirant from BBSR who has represented India in International Olympiad on various fields…None i believe.I personally know 2 of them who went and brought laureals to the country as well to the state.How many numbers of IIT ians come out of BBSR if we comapre it with RKL.I can bet we still got a huge margin.Well coming back to your point we are really disturbed when the most educated CM of the country does this .Evertime a natiional institue is demanded it got to be at BBSR.even i dont need a separate state but the way CM is handling we are forced to think of a separate state.I can bet if IIM had been approved foe Orissa it would have setup at BBSR.We the people of Rourkela feel hat we are ignored and a scape goat in short.I dont even expect anything from here onwards that the govt will do something.All i can say people who are abroad and from Rourkela can start something innovative…I hope my words reach to all the people of Rourkela…

• 11. Sanjib Karmee  |  August 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

  Dear All,
  I have raised this issue of imbalanced growth of the state again and again. One thing is clear, as long as we don’t force the CM to do something for other cities like Rourkela, Sambalpur and Berhempur, he will not do it. However, he is taking immense interest in establishing Institutes in BBSR and nearby regions. There are many reasons behind this viz. infrastructure, political influence and mentality (willingness).
  Now, time has come to ask the CM, what he wants. Whether he wants inclusive growth of the state or he wants only growth of capital area.
  For this we should be bit more organized and aggressive (not destructive) in our action plan. Currently, I am an active member of western Orissa google groups (westernodisha@googlegroups.com).Various members are discussing issues related to their regions. Please join this group. I personally feel that Rourkela, Sambalpur and Berhemrpur should be equally developed like BBSR. We all want a peaceful and equally developed society.

• 12. Siriyal Subhra Patel  |  August 28th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

  Dear All,
  I also stand for balanced growth of Orissa. I agree to all the above points in all the above posts except the below line extracted from one of the above post –

  “It is my request to all west orissa peoples come to demand for kosla state.”

  In my opinion this demand is not a proper solution to the issue imbalanced growth of Orissa. This is what I meant by my first post. I know, being based Ouside Orissa and hailing from private sector, we hardly can do anything to alter the official decission. The people who can really do this is the local representatives from the western part of Orissa(or any other part which is lagging in terms of development) who are democrarically elected by the people should pressurise the CM to locate some of these developmental activities outside BBSR-CTC-Puri region. This should be approach to the problem, not the demand for a separate state.

• 13. Ajaya Sahu  |  August 29th, 2009 at 3:47 am

  There is a say in Odia, Deepa tala Andhara!!!

  To whom we will complain for Hinjilicut development, the elected consistency of CMO!!! Probably our CM has forgotten his elected constituency Hinjili too where he has elected over 60k votes in 2009!!!

  Science College, Hinjilicut established in 1963 the only ranking B+ Grade College (NAAC accredited) along with Khallikote College (B+) in Ganjam district. We are demanding to convert this independent college since many years and our CM is not interested probably and the message is not reaching him!!! And the Women’s college which was running since nineties has been closed in CM’s era just 5 years back!!! He is writing mails to center, every time we talk about Gems and Jewellary Training Institute
  establishment at Hinjilicut.

  There is no progress on IIIT – Brahmapur even though it has been declared. Since last 5 yrs we are looking for the STPI opening at Brahmapur and work is still under progress!!! As our CM is looking only for BBSR surrounding development, Odisha is heading now for 2nd Bihar in India.

• 14. Biswajit Mishra  |  August 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am

  I read this article in Current Science a month back. This ranking is purely on the basis of citations of research output, with the data from SCOPUS data base. The authors have used a p-index, calculated from the h-index, which is available in the scopus site. The data provided in this site is Table 1 of the article published. Table 2 in the same article is on the basis of total number of papers published. Hence, this ranking is unlike those by India Today or Outlook (read: where IISc didn’t figure) Hence, I’m not surprised that KIIT does not figure, whereas old private colleges like BITS Pilani, HBTI (kanpur) and Thapar Inst. are rightly appear.
  I’m also not surprised that IISc tops the list, as it’s primarily a Research Institute with PG teaching only. Perhaps Sanjib will not agree with me again. My colleagues in IISc complain, if in case, the total teaching hour adds upto just three per week. IISc is a wonderful place to pursue research with PG students and I don’t take away the credit, however, this is the IISc story.
  It’s surprising that some posts suggest that NITR or UCBurla could have been upgraded to an IIT. I feel these are near-impossible propositions. Forget about upgradation. There have been lots of problem by changing the name from UOR to IITR. Both ITBHU and JU declined for upgradation and see the result, they are doing reasonably fine, in the Indian context. Yes, it’s good to see that NITR tops amongst the NITs. Perhaps for the time being, NITR is the pride of Orissa. I congratulate, Prof. Sunil Sarangi (a Kgpian, my colleague in the Cryogenic Engg center and an erudite scholar).
  Yes, Sanjib is correct. If we need to decentralize the new schools (NID, NIFT), out of BBSR-CTC, then we have to agressively write to the CM or for that matter post our comments in tathya.in. We have to also urge the CM also for the airport at Jharsuguda, which is a must for any educational (and industrial) development.

• 15. R.K. Ghosh  |  August 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am

  So, the current science misses at least two vital points, namely, student intake and the success of academic programs. Research citations sometimes could be a misleading, as you see IISc tops the list. IISc is certainly not known for teaching. Their research output is understandably high as teaching load is low. Besides, IISc got rid of their UG program sometimes back which allowed it to lower the teaching load by more than half. Incidentally, IISc’s UG program was never any good compared to those from IITs and perhaps even worse than some of good state engineering colleges. In fact, current science should have excluded IISc from that list. I view this ranking as subtle way of promoting IISc.

  I believe the idea of upgrading an institute is a serious miscarriage in thinking process. Univ of Roorkee was upgraded to an IIT, but it is yet to get over its past background as a state university. The contaminants present in the system will remain stubborn for about next 20 years or so. Of course no institute in India have a life span more than 50 years. Bureaucrats and politicians will guarantee that this cardinal principle is never violated. It is already happening to IITs now as we all know. Twenty years back IIT KGP was the top engineering institute in the country and 10 years back IIT Kanpur was on top and now IITB is top. I guess IIT system will be brought to the level of Universities very soon. Now an Asst Prof’s position in IITs is no more attractive compared to a reader’s position in a UGC funded University. It appears that University of Roorkee has seen its golden past and so have all IITs. Therefore, I am considerably amused when people talk about ranking of educational institutions in India. No body wants to take the bull by horn. Sam Pitroda had considerable success as telecom tsar, but I believe if at all, he will have just limited success as Knowledge Commission Boss.

  And a point on balanced growth. Infrastructure: road, electricity, transport and communication is vital for this. Road network started in US during Eisenhower is just an example of how the country’s progress was linked to infrastructure. There is huge difference between world II US and now. Growth will automatically happen if we adhere to basics.

• 16. Sanjib Karmee  |  August 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

  I agree with you Prof. Mishra. As compared to IISc the teaching loads in IITs are much more. I even sometimes think that IISc is more of a research Institute like Max Plank, which offers PhD and Master courses. I think it is unfair to compare IITs with IISc. Let us be honest. IISc has a big name in India but IITs are famous world wide. Even some biased IIT Profs give lot of respect to PhD candidates from IISc. The success of IITs can be attributed to the success of IIT brand as a whole (UG, PG and PhD).
  There is another point, like the caste system of our country we have different types of Institutes viz. IITs, NITs, IISc etc. Obviously all institutes are not equal in terms of education, research, student intake, faculty quality etc. So, I think it is bit unfair to put all the Institutes together in one list.
  The HRD ministry can do few things to promote IITs to world class Institutes:
  1. No existing Institute should be upgraded to IITs. IITs have completely different norms and culture. Also, it is a good idea to upgrade the research facilities in IITs. It may help if the govt can create Research Prof. position in IITs. These Profs should be given less teaching load (this is happening in some of the European Universities). But there will be a salary difference between two types of Prof.
  2. Increase the salary of Asst./Assoc./ and Profs. Salary of Asst. Profs should start from Rs 100,000. A post doc gets around Rs.150,000, but when he/she is back to India he/she gets around Rs. 25,000-50,000. This is completely unfair.
  3. A multidisciplinary approach can help. But again this depends on the Institute. Institutes should be given the freedom as to what they want. Ministry should not impose its idea on the Institutes. I read that IITKGP will start MBBS programme soon. This will certainly promote the research in Biotechnology, Bioorganic chemistry, Nanotechnology, Biomechanics and others.
  4. Govt. should identify cluster of excellence for promoting research. For example IIT Madras, CLRI, Anna University and Madras University can be a nice cluster.

  I think now we have lot of Institutes (IITs). HRD ministry should not interfere too much in the functioning of IITs. However, the ministry should help these institutes so that they can be world’s best. Otherwise just creating Institutes will not help.

• 17. zuneid alam  |  September 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

  My fellow state people in this forum , I am a recent B.tech graduate from NIT Rourkela and i can vouch to say that the research and academic activities in the institute are at full swing with more and more students developing an independent academic mentality that is helping them to branch out into different spheres in life. The institute already boasts of the best infrastructure(lab-wise) among the NITs including a full-fledged cryogenic lab. Recently the institute became the 7th in the nation , after the IITs, to have tied up with Department of Atomic Energy for research purposes. It stands easily among the top 5 NITS and top 15 T-schools in the country.
  But all this this has been an achievement in only the last half-decade.The institute was already famous in the past for its brilliance but only for its renowned faculty and good students.The blatant apathy of the state govt. in the past is still visible, whereas state govts. of NIT surathkal and Trichy gave ample support for development. Asking for an IIT/IIM/AIIMS won’t solve our problem. We have several multi-disciplinary institutes and universities in the state which can be amply supported for quality education and infrastructure, and which in turn will gradually develop into institues of excellence in the near future.In the US, they don’t have a string of MITs distributed throughout country but have Ivy league universities and several top class universities, all having a charismatic aura of their own.This is the reason for theirs being such a developed nation education wise.We already have good-repute colleges in the state.So why not support and develop them.
  It would be a great start if all the senior and retired bureaucrats,leaders,IAS officers,proffessors in the state would come together rather than living in the lull, and further the cause of education in the state. Having a federal way of development, rather than a central channel would make the best option.
  I’m a proud Oriya and an Indian.But i really feel sad to look at Orissa as the state with the highest percentage of its population living below poverty line.It fares worst among all the Indian states.Education will be the best way of geting things to move up.

• 18. Debasish Das  |  October 11th, 2009 at 5:25 am

  I am also a recent B-Tech graduate from NITR. My inclination to look for the rankings of my alma mater, which arises from the stupendous growth that I have witnessed during my stay there, has led me to this website. I am very curious as to whether this has affected its rankings and brand equity or not. However, I lately realized there is a need to look beyond the rankings. The entire renovation of the Institute took place in just four years and is still continuing. Many stagnant and obsolete rules and regulations were abolished and many of them were reformed only until recently. Though such changes do not require financial aid but there are many other changes that do. A certain degree of autonomy is also required to bring in changes in the system. The point that I am trying to make here is that when the institute was REC, it was jointly managed by the state and the central govt. It is during this period that the institute was left far behind in the race. While the institutes in other states were growing, evolving and creating a brand name for themselves our prominent colleges in the state like REC, CET and UCE burla were run with apathy for development. Probably, the same can be said about the other institutes of higher learning in poor states like Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and the north east. However, once the NIT act was passed things changed. We, the students, have witnessed the change ourselves. There was more money flowing into the system. Every affair was conducted in a more systematic and organized fashion. The connection with the state govt. was severed and the institute came under the umbrella of MHRD. The IITs, though being autonomous institutes, were always funded by the MHRD. Hence, it very evident that while REC/NIT Rourkela grew at a scorching pace in the last 5-6 years, the same cannot be witnessed in the state run institutes like CET, UCE etc. The conclusion that can be inferred from this fact is that political will is the first and foremost requirement for growth, not only in the education sector but in any other sector.
  Primary education in Orissa is in a diabolical state. The public schools teachers are not paid for years at a stretch. People say that Orissa has always been neglected by the centre. But we should also realize that in numerous occasions the party ruling the state and the centre were the same. Hence, we can easily infer that the thing that is lacking is political will which is resulting in ill-governance. The solution to this problem lies with the people of Orissa. In my belief, there is a need ever stronger than before to create awareness among the people. We cannot witness growth in just the educational sector while we neglect the many other issues plaguing our state. Orissa is one of the few states that have signed numerous MOUs with many MNCs including the much talked about POSCO project which would be the highest single FDI in India. Then, there is the Vedanta University coming up near Puri which is touted to be one of the largest universities in the world. All such mega projects have faced land acquisition problems and resistance from the locals. The Mittal’s are now considering moving their project out of Orissa because of this same problem. These hurdles that act as a stymie in establishing these mega projects can only be resolved by political will. The opposition too needs to have a long term vision and place the interest of the state before its own covert political agendas. I have personally witnessed the apathetic attitude of the govt. myself in my hometown. There was a lot of fanfare and gusto involved in the inauguration of the founding stone for the BPUT University in Chennd Colony, Rourkela. People were excited and ecstatic about the then President of India, Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam being the chief guest of the ceremony. The CM promised that the work will be completed within an year or so. However, till date it remains a barren land with the dilapidated boundary walls being the only remnants of any development work that had ever been done.
  The mushrooming of a humongous number of technology institutes in our state, particularly in and around the capital may suggest growth in the higher education sector. However, it is nothin more than a mirage. Some of these institutes hire B-Tech grads from the same year itself from their own institutes to teach their current students. Nothin else could suggest the sorry state of affairs in these so called insitutes of higher learning. Without qualified faculties and necessary infrastructure in place,no prizes for guessing as to how these institutes are allowed to impart education to our young minds. It is due these institutes that most of our graduates are deemed unfit for employment by many organisations. All of this evidently suggests that these educational Institutes have become money minting factories whose owners dont understand the meaning of education in the first place. This blatant act of misguiding the people of orissa cannot be achieved without political suppport. Hence, the political scenario in orissa needs a major overhauling. Young people with a vision and clarity of thought need to enter active politics. It is only then can we expect to see our state grow in all respects and become a part of india’s success story.

• 19. Rakesh Goswami  |  November 16th, 2009 at 7:40 am

  Dear friends, i am a rourkela,ite ,and i am proud of it, it has brought laurels not only in orissa , india but also abroad. The talent pool in rourkela can no where be found in orissa. No medical colleges, no central university. Only 1NIT, 2 private eng. colleges it has still outshined others.
  I wonder any project taken by the state/central govt for its growth.Mere negligence of stae govt.,no investment by the state govt.All is bbsr and cuttack.
  Better it would have been a separate state and rkl as its capital, then one would know its potential.

• 20. vijay  |  November 28th, 2010 at 10:44 am

  NIT Rourkela ranked 12 in overall and 2nd among NITs by Dataquest IDC survet 2010
  http://dqindia.ciol.com/content/top_stories/2010/110112403.asp

  kindly spread the word.