Why mention of IIT coaching classes in Orissalinks?
April 3rd, 2010
In https://www.orissalinks.com/archives/4059 we mentioned about some of the national tutorials that have now set shop in Bhubaneswar. A close friend and elder of mine (Sandip Dasverma) whom I respect a lot was surprised (and even dismayed) that I gave space to them here, and was wondering how come I am promoting institutes that to him are so harmful to our society.
I have mixed thoughts and feelings about the whole thing, so I decided I will write my thoughts and feelings, which at this point may not be fully coherent.
1. In Orissalinks we are writing about *all* kinds of educational and HRD infrastructure and opportunities in Odisha. When we write about ITI or Diploma or vocational schools we are not necessarily promoting them; nor it is our intention that every body should do ITI or a diploma. (On the other hand we do not think there is anything wrong in going to an ITI or doing a Diploma.) We cover them so that these pages serve as a dynamic directory of opportunities and infrastructure of various kinds. In that sense IIT tutorials are educational and HRD infrastructure elements and we cover them. Our coverage does not necessarily mean we promote them. In case of ITI and Diploma institutions, having them listed here helps industries who may be considering to move to Odisha.
2. To us IIT tutorials are HRD infrastructure elements that for whatever reason are an important component of a city/town/metro/population-hub. Students are looking for them, the parents are looking for them, the top ones at other locations have been successful in sending large numbers to the IITs, and parents in Odisha due to the lack of such institutes have sent their kids out of state. Moreover, Odisha has been sending comparatively very few students to IITs, thus not taking advantage of the opportunity provided by the well-funded and reputed IITs. So in that sense having top national coaching classes in Odisha is good. The kids who want to go there need not now go to or be sent to (by their parents) locations out of state and hopefully there will be more number of people getting to IITs from Odisha because of the presence of these nationally reputed tutorials in Odisha.
Hopefully we have clarified why we covered IIT tutorials here; We covered them because as the situation in India is now, they are an important educational infrastructure of a place/town/city/metro.
Thats that, but what do we think about these tutorials and their alleged harmful impact on the education system and society. To us the issue is not so simple nor black and white. To initiate a debate we will put some pointers and arguments.
- Coaching classes in various countries and their purpose is given here. In India, coaching classes are a reality and they thrive because (i) admission to top schools is extremely competitive and (ii) the admission process is fairly well defined. In this regard one may read the article at http://hosted.law.wisc.edu/wilj/issues/24/1/steiner.pdf which explains why cram schools for getting law license is common in many other countries but not in the USA.
- Coaching classes are not so common for college admission in the USA because of two main reasons: Decent students can fairly easily get into decent universities in most states; and admission is not based on a single exam and the process is not very clear and on purpose not well explained to the public.
- At this point the fuzzy processes adopted for admissions in US institutions will not work in India as there will be a lot of chance for corruption. One of the aura behind the IIT entrance exams and its admission process is the lack of corruption in the process of IIT admission. Many a professors and IIT directors’ kids have not been able to get into IITs. That is not the case in most US universities (even the most elite and most competitive ones) where kids of alumni, faculty and big donors may have an inside track to admission.
- Recently a committee chaired by Prof Damodar Acharya has been formed to revamp the IIT admission process. Among other things they are considering to take into account the marks obtained in the 12th grade. I am not sure if that will eliminate the coaching classes. The coaching classes will just adopt and start teaching how to also ace the 12th exam.
- However it is the case that mastering (how to answer) the kind of questions asked in the IIT entrance exam requires coaching beyond what is taught in the regular school curriculum. If the question pattern was changed to closely follow the regular school curriculum then coaching classes will possibly be less effective and thus their attraction could possibly decrease. But the questions may then be too simple making it difficult to pick 10,000 out of 5 lakhs. Also, there is a reason behind the kind of hard questions that are asked in the IIT entrance exams. Students with aptitude to answer such questions are good at problem solving and thus the kind of students the IITs are looking for. But IITs have not been able to figure out how to separate these students from students who have trained (and been coached) to be successful in the IIT entrance exams.
- It is common in India to believe in the notion of "inherent ability" which is behind the elusive goal of finding students who have the inherent ability versus students who apparently do not have that ability but train hard (in the coaching classes) and get through the entrance exams.
- But this view is being challenged. See the book review at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/books/review/Paul-t.html?ref=books. Following is a quote: "David Shenk with “The Genius in All of Us,” which argues that we have before us not a “talent scarcity” but a “latent talent abundance.” Our problem “isn’t our inadequate genetic assets,” but “our inability, so far, to tap into what we already have.” The truth is “that few of us know our true limits, that the vast majority of us have not even come close to tapping what scientists call our ‘unactualized potential.’ ” At first it would seem that Shenk, the author of thoughtful books on information overload, memory loss and chess, has veered into guru territory. But he has assembled a large body of research to back up his claims. … Shenk doesn’t neglect the take-home point we’re all waiting for, even titling a chapter “How to Be a Genius (or Merely Great).” The answer has less in common with the bromides of motivational speakers than with the old saw about how to get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice. Whatever you wish to do well, Shenk writes, you must do over and over again, in a manner involving, as Ericsson put it, “repeated attempts to reach beyond one’s current level,” which results in “frequent failures.” This is known as “deliberate practice,” and over time it can actually produce changes in the brain, making new heights of achievement possible.
- In light of the above, is it really right to look down on students who worked hard for whatever number of years in a coaching class and trained themselves so as to succeed in the IIT entrance exam? Can we really fault the coaching classes who provide the students the opportunity to train, train and train? Who are we to tell that train, train, train following a goal or someone’s life’s ambition is bad? Do we do that with respect to an athlete or an aspiring musician? No, we are impressed by their dedication.
- Few years back IITs changed their requirement for admission and now one can enter an IIT only the year he/she passes the 12th or the next year. This was aimed at stopping people from spending multiple years in coaching schools in preparation for IIT. I guess it addresses that problem but raises other questions such as: Why is it wrong to work hard and long and prepare? Why can not some one decide to pursue an engineering degree at whatever age they become interested in? The later is a problem in most programs in India and is understandable because of the resource crunch. Coming back to the former: Why is it wrong to work hard and long and prepare? Does the society penalise an athlete or a music student who decides to fully focus on their goal of being a world class athlete or a musician? In case of the IITs, the problem is that most students who work hard and long to get in, do not often work hard once they get into the IITs. But then the IITs should design their course work accordingly? Also, they should assign majors for most students (say 80%) after the first year. That way students after they get in will have to work hard to get the major of their choice.
- Who are bad? The students going to coaching classes? Their parents? The owner of the coaching class? The faculty at the coaching classes? The System? If it is the system then as we mentioned we can not fault the nature of the admission process as a non-transperent one (used in the US universities) will not work in today’s India where corruption is endemic and because of that even national tests are conducted for clerical jobs in the Railways and Banks. So the only approach is to have enough good institutions/colleges/universities so that the situation is not as competitive as it is now. But even then there will be coveted institutions and admissions to them will be extremely competitive and their will be coaching classes for them. Just look at France, where 5% of its high school graduates spend 2-3 years in cram schools so that they can get into the Grandes Ecoles.
- The increase in the number of IITs, NITs, central universities, the creation of new IIITs, IISERs/NISER and the plan for 14 innovation universities will increase the number of good institutions in India and that would be helpful. They will also help in the more serious issue that plagued India where most good students out of high school went for engineering and medicine.
- However, India needs to figure out how to improve the standards at its state universities and colleges which have degraded badly over the years. Just creating new creamy layers on the top and letting the bottom rot will worsen the situation.
I hope the above thoughts explain why I don’t agree with the crowd and follow the fashion these days among many who put all the blame in the world at the door of coaching classes. I can see some adverse results (such as the story about an IIT JEE number 1 who was coached three years before he got JEE 1 but flunked in many of his classes in the first year) but it is not easy for me to just point blank think coaching classes as evils. In fact there may be evidence to the contrary. The coaching classes seems to have helped students from far flung areas without access to good schools to get trained and get into the IITs. The success of the super 30 in Bihar has now prompted the Punjab government to start similar coaching for rural students in Punjab. Similar plans are also afoot in Tamil Nadu and Chhatisgarh. The Orissa government had also announced similar plans in collaboration with the Institute of Mathematics & Applications. I am not sure if that has been implemented.
Now some other related thoughts.
- In my school days, middle class parents would find a tuition master or send their kids for tution if the kids were not doing well in school. So being "tutored" had a negative connotation similar to the connotation of "remedial classes" in US schools. Of course in US now parents and kids are being sensitized to not look down on students with reading and learning disabilities. But things started changing in India and students doing well also started getting tutored to do even better, and at times this was encouraged by the teachers themselves, some with motivation to augment their income (their pay was always pathetic). Some of these teachers neglected in their teaching in their regular classes giving bad names to the "tutors". These two underlined aspects have contributed to the negative connotation behind coaching in the mind of many.
- Personally, I have never had a tuition master in my life. I did take postal coaching (Agrawal Classes) in my 12th class (ISc 2nd year) to prepare for IIT and got in that year. The postal coaching worked as follows: I would get booklets with some theory and solved examples and some questions. I would solve the questions myself and send it for evaluation. Some one (a faculty) at the coaching center would evaluate my solutions and give me a grade. Thats all. This was better than the alternative of reading the IIT entrance guide books and doing the exercises there as in case of the later, one was not sure if the solution was correct or not. Also, in case of the postal coaching, the solutions had to be sent in within certain time, thus creating a discipline on the preparation. I have not met a single person in my life who got through the IIT entrance exam without preparing specifically for IIT outside of the class syllabus and that meant at least going through the IIT entrance guide books.
- So I have no direct idea about how the current classroom coaching classes operate. I only know from second and third hand descriptions.
Having said all this, what would be my advice to students in their 11th and 12th grade?
- First, one need not focus on IITs, engineering or medicine. India now provides successful careers in many many fields. One can go for science and math in the top institutes such as IIISERs, NISER, ISI, etc. One can go for law in one of the National Law Schools. One can go for Economics and other social science subjects in various good colleges. One can go for accountancy and other commerce subjects. One can be successful in any of those. Also, down the road the IISERs, NISER, National Law schools and the Innovation Universities will have similar name recognition as the IITs.
- However, if one aims to get into the IITs, until further changes happen one still need to prepare beyond their Class 12 syllabus. Here I would recommend the aspiring students to get into the best coaching class (in terms of their past performance) that is available. In that regard it is good that Bhubaneswar now has some of the nationally known top ones in FITJEE, Vidya Mandir and Resonance. However, in case the teachers in those coaching classes do not emphasize the following, I would have one advice to the students: There is no substitute to the ability and understanding one develops when one is pondering on a question (on his/her own) for hours or sometimes days and is eventually able to figure out how to solve it. Memorizing a trick told by the teacher to solve that question is an extremely poor substitute and does not develop the critical thinking ability that the IITs expect their students to have. On the positive side, the periodic exams conducted by the coaching classes have some advantages. Doing well in them and getting encouragement from the teachers who are able to compare a current coaching class student with successful students from yesteryears gives the students the much needed confidence. (In general I have noticed that less students from Odisha get into IITs because of the confidence problem during their 11-12th. But where ever the good ones go, they do well and become very successful in their careers.) Also, the coaching classes provide a routine and a discipline in the preparation. This is hard for a 16-17yr old to do on his/her own.
- In this regard one may note that bad coaching classes or not using the coaching classes in the right way could be very harmful. As an anecdotal example, a nephew of mine was telling me that he was not confident about his IIT exam as he did not have a tuition master in subject X, though he had tuition in Y and Z. After the IIT entrance exam he said he did well in X but not in Y, Z. I explained him and he agreed that in X, he studied himself and developed the understanding while in Y and Z, he was told various problem solving tricks; but that did not develop a deeper understanding in his mind and he could not apply them to the questions he encountered in the IIT entrance exam.
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8 Writeup
1. stingidea | April 4th, 2010 at 6:02 am
Congratulations on a well written and thought provoking piece on problem that plagues all parents and children in India. As you mentioned in one of your paragraphs the government needs to create a greater number of high quality institutions to reduce the influence of coaching institutions/prep organizations. But it appears to me that the government is creating more IITs and IIMs but at the same time the new ones have the perception of being tier 2 institutions (to borrow from the dreadful caste system – sub castes). So you have the case of IIT Bhubaneswar never being considered on par with IIT Kharagpur, or IIM Shillong never seen as an equal of IIM Kolkata. How does the government plan to reduce the inequality or the lead time that some of the older institutions have? Is it possible to have a system by which all those who qualify (using cutoff scores) for the IITs/IIMs are randomly assigned to one of the IITs/IIMs (just a thought!)? There will always be some form of a first, second or a third but the question is how does one normalize that to bring instutions on par.
2. Purna Mishra | April 4th, 2010 at 6:24 am
Chitta Babu,
You are 100% correct in your analysis, approach, and response. Let me add my 2 cents:
1. It is in built in our Indian culture that education leads to a good job and good life and ultimately good support for family. with lack of social net and social security, this leads to parents preference for getting male child and send him through torture of tution to get into engineering and medical so the boy could be an earning machine and provide a better life to his children and a social net for his parents in their old age.
2. In this process of education leading to more money and better life, we sacrificed the reason why we need education and that is learning.
3. Our focus is to get IIT, NIT, IISER, NISER, National Law College, etc etc are again to get more higher paying jobs and to build a society on education is more making money.
4. The key to this debate is not coaching. The debate must be on what education is for? Is it for learning or for getting a job?
As I said just my 2 cents.
— Purna
3. stingidea | April 4th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Mr. Mishra,
It is refreshing to note that somebody is thinking along the lines of what is the aim of education. Unfortunately this thought is getting lost in the environment in India today. The country’s social structure (as you pointed out), the geo-economic environment (an ageing western economy) and a young Indian population (demographic advantage) are creating a situation of hyper competitiveness that is sometimes almost Darwinian. In fact, I feel terrible everytime a student takes his/her life because of his/her inability to do well in an exam. Parents should take the lead in talking to children about the aim of education and the place of career in life. Values and ideas get passed on from one generation to the other after all.
4. R.K. Ghosh | April 5th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
In my opinion, the problem in India can not be compared with what is happening in USA. In India, we have a class conscious society. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to compare Indian scenario with those in China or some of the oriental nations.
The parents of young kids here always try to have a vicarious desire to see their wards excel and achieve which parents may have failed to do. IITs/IIMs are, therefore, most sought after places where every one can have a go. As far as other professions like law, medical, business, politics are concerned, having legacy plays a prominent role. Ordinary persons can not hope to succeed unless they have support of a legacy system. To a population of over 1 billion only clean system where every one has somewhat of a fair chance is to crack JEE. Of course this is short circuited by coaching classes. People who can afford money and resources send their kids to these places. The kids with coaching advantage are better prepared to handle JEE. In that sense they get an unfair advantage of cracking JEE. However, merely cracking JEE does not mean that a student is actually interested to become an engineer. Our class conscious society, however, does not honour an individual’s desire or likings. As a result we have students in classes who have other interests. Then suicide and other external pressures start building up. The problem is beyond the comprehension of most policy planners. Setting up of Damodar Acharya committee is just to explore ways and means for handling the fairness as well as transparency of JEE as a system. It in no way can address the larger societal problem. The other reason of this committee is IITs have increasingly facing the problem of hugeness of the JEE exercise. So, they want some how to arrive at system which will reduce the commitment of IITs to conduct of JEE. So this committee in no way could address the larger issue involved every high school student aspiring to get an admission into IITs.
5. Prof.Biswajit Mishra | April 6th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Dear Prof. Baral:
I also thought of writing you when the FITJEE BSR story appeared in this site. Then I thought, since the whole country has joined the party (read: coaching classes), let me just watch the game as an insider (read: an IIT teacher). I consider this as a social problem. In urban India, it has become a social status to get into an IIT. My assessment is that the bunch of top 1000 AIR is certainly good. The coaching definitely contributed to their success for getting into IITs. However, below that, the difference is marginal. They have made it because they were trained as robots and the hard discs (their minds) get formatted within the very first year at IITs. Agreed, there are exceptions. But this is what the trend is. Another important observation. A student with a B. Tech in Electrical and Mechanical tries cracking CAT, followed by getting into an IIM or B-school and lands up in a white colored job with a bank or insurance company. Now the question is are the students interested in learning. Certainly not. They are only interested in getting back much more than the money spent on them – right from the coaching class through IIT and finally for the B-school. In summary we are producing managers- not engineers or science graduates. If the corporate world says that they want manager, so be it. I’m wrong. However, imagine the amount of money spent on these grads for their specialized degree from the public exchequer. Then who joins the company that really needs electrical or mechanical engineers? Students from NITs and other so-called non-elite schools. Finally, I rarely watch movies. But one of my students gave me 3 idiots and requested me to see the movie. I read the book before and found out many spices added, to make the movie. But in the end I must confess -I was more confused.
6. R.K. Ghosh | April 6th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I entirely agree with Prof. Biswajit Mishra. The number of extraordinary students has not increased at all. It has remained the same over past 15-20 years, though the intake has at least tripled. It is a larger societal problem as I have pointed out earlier. Of course, continuous fiddling of JEE pattern has to take a part of the blame. But this fiddling was necessitated by the increasing hugeness of conducting JEE. This year more than four hundred thousands candidates are set to appear for JEE. All IITs taken together will admit just about 6500 students. If my estimates are correct the projected number of candidates will cross 10 lakh mark in next 5-7 years. By any stretch of imagination it is difficult to accept that all 10 lakh candidates are really interested to become engineers. On the other hand there are not many takers for seats in private engineering colleges. Our planners have floundered in a miserable way to provide a clean system to masses. Now there is a talk of bringing FDI in education. I believe govt is passing the buck elsewhere by resorting to such gimmicks. A part of good governance is to ensure equal opportunities for all in education. Even the right to education bill appears to be a gimmick. Already state govts have expressed their inability to implement it unless central govt takes full financial responsibilities.
7. Suryanarayanan | April 6th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Its not the coaching inst. that r to b blamed but IITJEE itself.IITJEE doesnt encourage the kind of thinking u spk of prof.Coaching inst r well aware of this fact and thus force students to mug tricks to do problems.I dont think there exists any coaching inst that doesnt encourage cramming.70% of org and inorg chem involves mugging.Even math(espec. analytical geom)requires a lot of mugging.The foll is an excerpt from the iitjee prospectus to prove the above fact
Two dimensions: Cartesian coordinates, distance
between two points, section formulae, shift of origin.
Equation of a straight line in various forms, angle between
two lines, distance of a point from a line; Lines through
the point of intersection of two given lines, equation of the
bisector of the angle between two lines, concurrency of
lines; Centroid, orthocentre, incentre and circumcentre
of a triangle.
Equation of a circle in various forms, equations of tangent,
normal and chord.
Parametric equations of a circle, intersection of a circle
with a straight line or a circle, equation of a circle through
the points of intersection of two circles and those of a
circle and a straight line.
Equations of a parabola, ellipse and hyperbola in standard
form, their foci, directrices and eccentricity, parametric
equations, equations of tangent and normal.
8. Suryanarayanan | April 6th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Most of the coord geom q require a preliminary application of the above said equations.Those who r unaware of the equations lose a lot of marks which they cud easily hav got.I dont understand how IITJEE directors sanctioned such a faulty IITJEE Prospectus