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Earlier it was reported that 20 stations (its started with 16 then became 17, tehn 19 and now 20) in India will be made world class. The 20 stations as reported here are: Agra, Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Anand Vihar (Delhi), Bangalore, Bhopal, Bhubaneswar, Bijwasan (Delhi), Chandigarh, Chennai, Mumbai CST, Howrah, Jaipur, Lucknow, Mathura, Patna, Pune, Secunderabad, Thiruvananthapuram and Varanasi.

In case of Bhubaneswar, due to lack of land adjacent to the existing Bhubaneswar station, there was speculation and bits of news regarding a new world class station being built in Barang. The following news report from Sambada confirms it.

Pioneer reports on this grant to Puri under JNNRUM. (Additional site 1, site 2, site 3) Following are some excerpts from that report.

… sanctions were accorded to 10 new development projects in Puri under the Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission entailing an estimated expenditure of Rs 186 crore. … The project includes construction of a new lodging house for tourists at a cost of Rs 20 crore, a renovation project for old mutts costing Rs 100 crore, construction of a new multistoreyed parking place for vehicles worth Rs10 crore, a new conference hall specially for holy discourses valuing Rs10 crore, a cultural heritage site for the Jagannath Temple pegged at Rs10 crore, renovation and maintenance of old ponds in Puri for Rs 20 crore, establishment of a new heritage museum inside SriMandir at a cost of Rs 5 crore, construction of a heritage garden inside Sri Jagannath Ballava Math at a cost of Rs10 crore, construction of concrete road around the Meghanad Prachir (compound wall) with steel barricades costing Rs 50 lakh and construction of drains and other sanitary works valuing Rs 50 lakh in Puri town.

Telegraph reports the information on this given by the Science and Technology minister in the assembly. Following are some excerpts:

… Science and technology minister Sanjeev Sahoo today told the Assembly that the proposed Biotech-Pharma-IT park would be developed in an area of approximately 260 acre in two phases on a public-private partnership mode.

In the first phase, a park would be constructed over 63acre of land in Andharua Mouza on the outskirts of Bhubaneswar. The Biotech park at Andharua will have a BT corridor, an IT corridor and a commercial infrastructure. A biotech incubator would be set up there over 10 acre, he added.

Sahoo said the companies, which have expressed their interest for participating in the global bid process, are Akruti Nirman Ltd, Ambience Developers and Infrastructure Pvt Ltd, Bharat Biotech International Ltd, Bhubaneswar Entertainment World Developers Pvt Ltd, Eldeco Infrastructure and Properties Ltd, Ramkay Infrastructure Ltd, TCG Urban Infrastructure Holding Ltd and Unitech Ltd.

The private partner would play the role of the lead developer and would be responsible of the plan, design, construct, finance, market and operate the proposed park.

Once a private partner is selected, a Special Purpose Vehicle(SPV) company in the form of a Joint Venture between the private partner and the State government will be created for the development and maintenance of the Park, Sahoo said.

For the biotech park at Andharua, IDCO has been given Rs 2 crore for construction of wall, land development, digging of borewells and setting up transformers.

The state-of-the-art Biotech Pharma-IT park will have modular R&D labs, a biotech incubator, and administration support infrastructure. The Park will stimulate and manage the knowledge flow and create linkages between universities, R&D institutions, companies and markets.

(Thanks to Deba Nayak for the pointer to this report.)

Telegraph reports that AMRI hospital plans to set up a state of the art hospital in Bhubaneswar. Following are excerpts of that report.

AMRI Hospitals today unveiled its ambitious expansion plan to set up four state-of-the-art hospitals in four state capitals — Bhubaneswar, Ranchi, Raipur and Patna.

Each of the four hospitals will be set up with an initial investment of over Rs 110 crore, with room for future expansion. …

AMRI Hospitals, a joint venture between Emami and Shrachi group of industries, is venturing out of Calcutta for the first time.

… Aditya Agarwal, director, told The Telegraph that the first of the four hospitals will come up at Bhubaneswar.

The hospital will come up at Khandagiri Square, a prime location in Bhubaneswar and will have 300 beds initially.

“It will come up on 5 acres. Initially, it will be a five storey affair, but we have plans and enough room for further expansion,” Agarwal said and added that the hospital at Bhubaneswar is expected to start operation by 2009.

It will have, apart from facilities available at any multi-speciality hospital of international standard, super-speciality thrust on cardiology, orthopaedics and neurology, Agarwal claimed.

“Our hospital in Bhubaneswar will have emergency and outdoor facilities. We will deploy most sophisticated equipment and staff, including doctors, there. It will also have state-of-the-art ICCU, ITU and NITU and life-support systems,” the director informed.

Apart from giving people access to ‘healthcare facilities of international standard’, the hospital will also generate a lot of job opportunities, he claimed.

“The hospital in Bhubaneswar will initially have some 1,000 employees, including medical, para-medical and non-medical staff. The first preference will obviously be to recruit local people. …

Among other facilities, the hospital will have a parking bay, cafeterias and playground to mention only a few standard facilities available in any major hospital, he said.

“We have earmarked an estimated Rs 120 crore on this hospital. However, more investment will be made according to the requirement for future expansion.”

“The foundation laying ceremony at Bhubaneswar will be held on July 14. Chief minister Naveen Patnaik, finance minister Prafulla Chandra Ghadai, industry minister Biswabhusan Harichandan, minister of works and housing A.U. Singh Deo and health minister Duryodhan Majhi will be present on the occasion,” Agarwal informed. …

Agarwal added that AMRI Hospitals, a joint venture between Emami and Sharachi groups, has plans to establish at least one medical college in one of the four state capitals.

“Talks in that direction are on. We also plan to have some specialised medical and nursing training facilities. A decision on this matter will be taken soon,” he declared.

(Thanks to Jibanendra babu and Orissa Today google group for pointer to this report.)

The PIB release states that the Board of Approval of SEZ recommended grant of formal approval of an SEZ with developer Hindalco Industries Limited in Sambalpur for aluminum and aluminum products. The SEZ will come up in an area of 115.94 hectares.

Earlier news mentioned about IBM expanding to or eying various tier 2 cities including Bhubaneswar. Economic Times now reports that the center in Bhubaneswar will be a development center. Following are excerpts from that report.

IT major IBM will soon open its third development centre in Orissa’s capital city. …

Sources said TCS, Infosys and Satyam already had their centres here while Wipro, Mindtree and Hexaware were expected to decide on their plan soon. Genpact had already committed to invest at Infocity-1, the state government’s IT cluster. …

The IBM team, on its part, assured the state government that they would provide technical know-how for Orissa’s ongoing e-governance programme.

Brain has also assured Patnaik that IBM would help the government to develop the proposed Indian Institute of Information Technology (IIIT) in Bhubaneswar.

IBM already has two centres, one in Chennai and another in Coimbatore, the sources added.

Telegraph reports on this. Following are some excerpts.

artisans working on blocks of sandstone along the west banks of the sacred Bindusagar Tank. …

The area around the tank is being converted into a medicinal plant garden, with all the elements of Ekamra Kshetra in mind — a mythological garden. …

The garden, that would cost Rs 72 lakhs, would also have an amla tree (symbolising Parvati) and a bel symbolising Ganesha. The three would have their own pedestals with substructures on which medicinal herbs would be planted. …

The park would have two large pools in between the trees that would contain naturally-purified water seeping in through the earth from Bindusagar. …

… there would be a small platform for music to add to the holy ambience.

Artisans from Raghurajpur and Lalitgiri have been engaged to complete the work that is expected to be over by the next month.

We have used nothing except sandstone and laterite, …

… the boundary and retaining wall would bear exquisite carvings depicting the lord and his stay at the Ekamra Kshetra. …

Cities like Bhubaneswar are very important in terms of heritage, tourism and religion. Its our department’s responsibility to check that the temple city gets its historical and architectural glory back.

Statesman reports on an IBM Center in Bhubaneswar. Following is an excerpt.

IBM is likely to establish a development centre in Bhubaneswar. A release issued by the CMO here said that indications to this effect were given by Mr Stephen W Braim, the vice-president, IBM Asia Pacific, today. Mr Braim met chief minister Mr Naveen Patnaik and discussed IT development and human resource development to meet the growing demand of such professionals. IBM has two development centres in the country and the one proposed to come up in Bhubaneswar will be its third centre, said the release.

The Economic Times reports on NALCO’s plan about a cement venture and its plans to convert fly-ash to salable product. Following are excerpts from that report.

… (Nalco) has decided to diversify into cement manufacturing and is looking for global joint venture partners to float a medium to large sized cement plant. Nalco’s proposed cement venture is part of its decision to use fly ash generated at its captive power plant at Angul in Orissa and convert it into sale-able products. …

Nalco is primarily looking at the possibility of manufacturing Pozzo-lana Portland Cement (PPC). A byproduct of coal-fired power plants, fly ash can replace a proportion of the clinker used in cement plants. However, the company is also open to any other form of utilisation of fly ash in the JV.

The company is also seeking JV partners for classification and marketing of cementitious applications in the domestic and export markets. Cementitious products have cement-like, cementing, or bonding type properties. As the largest state owned producer of aluminium, Bhubaneswar-based Nalco operates alumina-aluminium complex along with a captive power plant, and has embarked on a major expansion programme to raise metal capacity.

The project also involves enhancing installed captive power generation capacity from 960 mw to 1,200 mw at Angul. Fly ash is commonly used as a high-performance substitute for Portland cement or as clinker for Portland cement production. Cement blended with fly ash is becoming very common. Building material applications range from grouts and masonry products to cellular concrete and roofing tiles.

Nalco has eight power units of 120 mw each, while the expansion project involves setting up two more identical units of 120 mw. These will be commissioned by the year 2008.

Typically, such units generate about 5,000-6,000 tonnes of ash per day, of which fly ash consists of 4,000-4,800 tonnes. A project is un-derway to allow easy loading of fly ash from the plants. By 2009, the quantity of fly ash that can be utilised is expected to touch 4,500 ton-nes per day. At present, this volume is about 900 tonnes.

“Nalco is yet to decide on the size of the cement plant. However, rough estimates show that a one million tonnes cement plant can be put up to utilise three lakh tonnes of fly ash. Nalco’s current fly ash generation per annum is 3.2 lakh tonnes,” a Nalco official said.

Livemint reports that RCF (Rashtriya Chemicals and Fertilizers) plans to revive the FCI plant in Talcher. Following are excerpts from that report.

Public sector enterprise Rashtriya Chemicals and Fertilizers (RCF) has planned a capital expenditure of Rs 10,000 crore for the next five years and will consider tapping the capital market for raising funds.

The company is talking to the government on its initial public offer and the process would take six to eight months, …

Of the Rs 10,000 crore capex planned, the debt-equity ratio would be 2:1 and hence the company could borrow up to Rs 7,000 crore while the rest could come from its IPO, he said.

“The company expects to finance its projects largely through internal generation and debt, apart from other modes of generating funds as may be appropriate,” it said in its annual general report.

With the capex money, RCF wants to revive two units–Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation’s unit in Durgapur, West Bengal, and Fertilizer Corporation of India unit in Talcher, Orissa.

Both the units would absorb about Rs 6,500 crore, Jha said.

Livemint reports on NALCO’s expansion plan. Following are excerpts from that report.

State-run aluminium producer, Nalco, will tap the overseas market to raise $250-million by August-end for its ambitious capacity expansion plan.

Nalco is undertaking a major expansion, including ramping up of its alumina capacity at the cost of Rs 5,040 crore. …

In between, Nalco has placed orders on foreign equipment suppliers for its expansion project and the deliveries are due in 2008.

The project involves expansion of capacity of its bauxite mine, alumina refinery, captive power plant and aluminium smelter by about 33%, he said.

Under the expansion, the capacity of bauxite mine in Koraput district of Orissa would be increased from 4.8 million MT a year to 6.3 million MT.

The alumina capacity would go up to 2.1 million MT annually from the present 1.58 million MT, he said. Besides, the capacity at the captive power plant at Angul in Orissa would be ramped up to 1,200MW, he added.

The PSU also plans to enhance its aluminium smelting capacity from 345,000 MT to 460,000 MT per annum.

In the medium-term, after the completion of the expansion project by 2008-end, a growth of 30% is targeted, the official added.

The Orissa government’s call for expression of interest on this is here. (Thanks to Manoj Padhi for the pointer.)

New Indian Express reports on the water supply situation in Bhubaneswar. Following are some excerpts.

For a population of 8 lakh, the Capital city has just 52,000 connections each catering to a family of five to six persons. …

Not only does coverage need keep pace with expansion, there is an increasing necessity to modernise the entire system. Realising the need, both Public Health Engineering Department (PHED) and Bhubaneswar Municipal Corporation (BMC) are busy chalking out a plan.

The proposal is to be placed for consideration under Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission (NURM).

Currently, Bhubaneswar meets its demand mostly from Kuakhai river, while the infrastructure for water treatment and distribution have come up in different phases. Mahanadi too contributes substantially for the city’s requirements.

As of now, the existing supply system fully covers 17 wards (out of 47) with pipe-water supply while another 26 wards are partially covered. The rest are without any cover.

A study carried out on the system reveals that supply is intermittent, while pipelines have shrunk. The total length of pipelines – main and distribution – are about 900 km in length.

However, since most of these were laid in 1950s and 1960s, they throw up problems. While density of population has increased, the same has rendered existing supply lines inadequate.

This also explains why water distribution has not been uniform – quantity as well as pressure wise. Moreover, main transmission lines are now old and lead contamination with sewerage lines which has become a cause of concern.

Similarly, intake infrastructure, water treatment plants and pump houses are now old and need renovation. The city has seven water treatment plants built during the last four decades.

Statistics available with PHED says seven treatment plants were built in 1954, 1960, 1968, 1974, 1975, 1987 and 1996 which speaks volumes about the need to upgrade and replace them.

Of the seven plants, four are for Kuakhai with total capacity of 19.5 million gallons for day (MGD), while the two for Daya can treat 3 MGD water.

It is the Mundali Water Works which has the biggest capacity of MGD. It was built in 1996.

Another problem with the locations and capacities of storage reservoirs. In the city, there are 87 underground and over ground reservoirs while there are another 46 elevated service tanks.

The headache for these storage points is that they are not integrated.

The proposed modernisation plan will take into account the revenue model as user charges are not fixed as per consumption level.

This is from a document regarding the vision 2030 plan for Bhubaneswar that has been prepared by IIT Kharagpur.

• Zones for multiplex, Retail-malls and theme parks for outdoor recreation
• Film city development with ample natural resources and back up from Orissa film industry with necessary infrastructure
• Logistic Hub for the prime urban centers
• Textile parks with cottages and medium scale industries for local specialized weaving art.
• Development of another major Railway Station, to cater to the trains for Western Orissa
• Circular Trains for cheaper mass transportation within urban areas
• Upgrading the existing Airport for tourists and higher officials for government and private sectors in the capital city
• Multi level Freeways for better accessibility with all roadside modern facilities ( Private Sector participation)
• World Class Club-towns
• Flood management plan for Cuttack with innovative technology (Venice Model)
• Garland Lake System to develop and protect the water bodies in the region
• Major organized open spaces like, urban squares, ceremonial / recreational grounds, and permanent fair grounds as image developers
• Health city/ Education city/ Software parks etc (new urban districts)
• Waterfront development with landscape conservation
• Travel Circuit (Architecture/Archeology/Religious) with facilities like “Palace on Wheels” for international and national tourists
• “Utkal Sanskriti Prangan” – A representational centre of traditional art and culture, craft,cuisine, living style, fair and facilities of Orissa at Bhubaneswar.
• Development of Traditional Art Village (Paper/Cloth/Silver/Pottery) in the line of “Arts Acre” in the peri-urban areas of Bhubaneswar
• Adventure tourism for Reserve forest/ Nature Study camp areas for rare natural species zone
• Development of Nature Corridors –to provide a feel of flora and fauna in the urban setup
• Area development of Lingaraj temple and Bindu Sagar with new allied activities

Livemint reports that Paradip port has floated tenders for coal and iron ore berths. Following are some excerpts:

Paradip port plans to build a Rs387 crore 10mt capacity berth for handling imported coking coal used for firing steel plants and another Rs505 crore 10mt capacity berth for handling iron ore export from India. When fully operational, the two berths will have deep drafts of 16 metres capable of handling ships of 125,000 tonnes initially and later 185,000 tonnes. …

Paradip port currently operates a 4mt capacity iron ore berth that handled 6.5mt of iron ore in the 12 months to March 2007. “Customers who take coal through Paradip port are allotted only 10mt by the coal ministry. Unless, we are given more, we cannot handle more,” says Raghuramaiah. The coal linkages for each customer are allocated by the coal ministry. Coal is shipped from Paradip to Ennore and Tuticorin ports for customers such as Tam.

Tathya.in reports that OTV will now have competition to its cable business. Following are excerpts of that report.

Wire and Wireless India Limited (WWIL and Ushodaya Enterprises Private Limited (UEPL), which controls popular ETV joined hands to float Variety Entertainment Private Limited (VEPL) …

VEPL, which has set up the state of the art control rooms in Bhubaneswar and Rourkela promises to provide better cable services in the cities of Orissa.

Announcing the launching of the services Deepak Chandnani, CEO WWIL, said that it will provide 87 channels of national and regional interest to the viewers in Orissa.

He said the services will be expanded in near future to provide digital services including triple play – voice, video and data under the aegis of “GalaxZee” by digitalization of signals.

Chandnani said GalaxZee will provide crystal clear picture, digital audio and video quality.

More number of channels will be added with multilingual facility, said he.

Provision for e-education, e-commerce gamming and video on demand facilities will be given in near future, said Chandnani.

Arvinda Mohan, Executive Director, WWIL said that the cable network service in Orissa depends on the court’s verdict.

Business standard reports that SBI has started one more regional business unit in Bhubaneswar. Following are some excerpts.

As a part of the decentralisation process and to provide prompt and qualitative service to the customer, the State Bank of India (SBI) has set up one more regional business office in Orissa. With this the total regional business office of the bank has reached five in the state.

The new regional office will function under the Bhubaneswar zonal office of the bank. …

The new regional office will cover 6 branches in the Khurda district and eight branches of Nayagarh district along with 16 branches of the Bhubaneswar city.

Though to start with the bank will have 30 branches and 24 ATMs under its jurisdiction , two more branches are likely to be opened in that area taking the total to 32. While 16 branches are located in urban areas, 5 branches are located in semi-urban areas. Besides, 9 branches are located in rural areas.

Significantly, 23 branches out of these 30 branches have Core Banking Solutions (CBS) facility.

The new region has a deposit of Rs.748.55 crore and advance of Rs.569.39 crore as on May 2007. The decision to set up the fifth regional office is significant as SBI is the lead bank in both Khurda and Nayagarh districts.

Besides, the bank has initiated measures to implement financial inclusion in Nayagarh district. SBI has a presence at every nook and corner of the state and its branches are financial bigbazars, selling all the products under one roof.

The bank has 502 branches at present and 60 percent of the branches are located in rural areas. Subject to Reserve Banks permission, the bank intended to open 40 more branches this fiscal. SBI has taken several measures to improve customer care through business process re-engineering.

Besides, it is involved in various social activities of the state. …

SBI is the lead bank in 19 districts of the state.

Financial express carried a short interview of POSCO India Chairman and MD with journalist Dilip Bisoi. This interview gives a good idea of the status of the POSCO India project. Following are some excerpts:

• How you are going to accelerate the project’s implementation? We have chalked out a strategy to implement the project. We are preparing to start the ground preparation work by October 2007. Out of the 4,004 acre of land, 3,566 acre is government land and 438 acre is private land. Out of the private land, only 30 acre is fertile land as it yields double crops. We are willing to exclude the 30-acre fertile land from the project site. We are also willing to differ use of the 438 acre private land until the villagers were willing to sell.
• Anti-Posco activists have set up checkpoints and are not allowing anybody to enter the site. How do you plan to enter the area and start work? It is not true that we don’t have access to the site. We do have some access to the site. Villagers in Gadakujanga grampanchayat are supporting the project, while people in Nuagoan area are starting to change their mind in favour of the project. Only a small area of Dhinkia grampanchayat is not accessible. We will shed that portion from the project site for the time being. Access to the site and starting civil work will not be difficult.
• Have you prepared your R&R package?  We are preparing a special R&R package for the displaced people. The Xavier Institute of Management, Bhubaneswar, has been engaged in conducting a survey to understand the needs of the people. The package will be announced once it gets the approval of the Rehabilitation & Peripheral Development Authority. I promise, I will make their lives better than before. Rehabilitating 450 displaced families is not a big job. We want to provide them with a sustainable livelihood.
• How confident you are that the project work will start by October 2007? The next two to three months are very crucial. The prospecting licence for the Khandahar iron ore mines and forest clearance for the project site are expected in the next few months. Once these issues are settled, we will go ahead with the land preparation. If everything goes according to plan, we will procure equipment for the steel plant by the second half of next year. We will shop in the Indian market before going to Asian countries like China and Vietnam. The main plant, however, will be imported from Posco in South Korea. However, starting of the peripheral work at the site by October is very essential.

The following article from Samaja lists the various steel plants in operation and under construction in the Kalinganagar area. They are: Nilachal Ispat Nigam Limited, Jindal, MESCO, VISA, JK Steel, Rohit, Dinabandhu and Maithan which have started production; and Tata Steel which is in preparation.

Various news reports mention that CARE hospital plans to open a 100 bed hospital in Bhubaneswar in July.

New Indian Express reports the starting of the BPO company Medwrite in Bhubaneswar. Following is an excerpt from that report.

MedWrite India, a Hyderabad based healthcare business process outsourcing (BPO) firm, launched its city operations on Wednesday.

The state-of-the-art centre will engage 200 trained professionals. Addressing mediapersons, chief executive officer Srinivas Rao said plans are afoot to raise the head-count to 500 professionals by the fall of 2008.

It handles medical billing and transcription services to a vast number of hospitals, clinics and physicians across the United States.

The firm would shortly be launching a free training programme for undergraduates and graduates to cater to the growing needs of skilled manpower in the industry. MedWrite is chosen as the international partner of MedQuist, a leading medical transcription company in the US …

Pragativadi reports that a mega water park is being built 6kms from Phulnakhara, in between Bhubaneswar and Cuttack. Following are some excerpts from that report.

The proposed water park will have several provisions such as several rides, interactive play area, fun slides, float slide, speed coaster, wave pool, splash water, swimming pool, kids pool, live music, concerts, DJ and rain dance. This apart, it will have an exclusive park for the people to roam about, different types of costumes, video games, indoor games, food & beverages, parking facility, advertisement & publicity, film shooting, special events, baby sitting facility, bus facility at select places and ATM facility. … The company has future project for establishing an Amusement Park with roller coaster rides etc. The park would provide highest level of service, quality, safety as far as construction, maintenance and operation are concerned. It would also boost the tourism industry of Orissa. One of the novel features of the park is the wave pool which is a replica of an ocean. The simulating waves created in the pool provide an exotic fun. One can either use a raft or choose to simply sweep off his feet at the shore. The pools are designed and manufactured to allow for gently swaying waves or powerful larger waves for fast paced body or boogie board surfing. It simulates a beach-like feeling inside the park.

New Indian express reports that multiplay service will be introduced in Cuttack-bhubaneswar metro unit. Multiplay basically involves having a framework which will provide multiple services under a single network. The list of services include voice, data and internet protocol television (IPTV) services under one package. Once connected, the subscriber can avail various services like cable TV, phone, high speed internet and even watch videos on demand through a set top box acquired on hire or outright purchase basis. Following are excerpts from the New Indian Express report.

The public sector telecom company has firmed up plans to introduce its next generation service “Multiplay” in the Twin City as soon as it is able to cement association with content providers.

While the infrastructure is being spruced up to required levels, the company has sought expression of interest (EOI) from private content providers for the tie-up. …

According to Deputy General Manager (IT), BSNL Orissa, PK Chand, Multiplay would offer voice, data and internet protocol television (IPTV) services under one package. Once connected, the subscriber can avail various services like cable TV, phone, high speed internet and even watch videos on demand through a set top box acquired on hire or outright purchase basis.

And as the system takes roots, other features like gaming, TV-based education, audio, T-commerce, video telephony and personal video digital recording can be included in the wide array of interactive applications.

BSNL has commercially launched the Multiplay services for its broadband customers in Pune in March this year in collaboration with the Maharashtra Knowledge Corporation Limited and Divinet as content provider.

Besides data, internet and voice services, IPTV and video on demand have been launched in the initial phase.

More than 100 free to air and pay channels are provided under the IPTV platform while the video on demand enables one watch movies of his choice at his own convenient time.

This is one of the pioneering technologies which underlies the potential of bhubaneswar as a desitination. Even cities like Bangalore and hyderabad dont provide this facility at this point…